I don’t mean registered their firearms, buy gun with the sale recorded in the gun shop.
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The form you fill out to purchase a fire arm is kept by the the store owner. If something happened to your gun, say it is lost or stolen, or you used it in a crime and it was recovered, then they might track it to you. But, that is as far as they can go. If you sold it to an individual years ago, the trail ends there.
Here is the way it works: They will have to have the gun to get the serial number. The manufacturer is contacted. They say the gun was in a shipment to XYZ Firearms. The investigators pore over the books at XYZ and find to whom and when the gun was originally sold.
That is how they get your name.
If you have previously reported the loss or theft of the gun in question, that will save the investigators a lot of time. After all the court cases are over where the gun is evidence, you will get it back.
In case of a sale to an individual, make a bill of sale with a clause stating the purchaser can legally own a firearm, and have the purchaser sign it.
Edit: the form 4473 is logged in the bound book kept by the store owner as long as he is in business, then upon retirement or closure surrenders his records to the BATFE. The records are never destroyed.
Yes
aren’t supposed to. the records are supposed to be destroyed.
but you know darn well they can
The record of sale(4473) is kept at the gun dealers as required by law…. By federal law NICS ck records of you buying is destroyed except in some states that keep records at the sheriff/police office and the States that require license or registration of all handguns and semi autos so called "assault rifles"like Kommiforna has you on file.
California – State law mandates licensed firearm dealers to record and retain all sales records on premises. The dealer is required to report those sales records to the state and the state must retain those records in a database. Law enforcement officials are permitted to conduct random inspections to compare a dealer’s inventory with the dealer’s sales records in order to identify any off-the-books transactions or other discrepancies. State law mandates that a firearm dealer take steps to ensure his/her inventory is protected and secured. (Examples: Locked inventory, product placement requirements, employee screening, install alarm systems, etc.). Licensed dealers must report to law enforcement any firearm that is stolen from their inventory.
It’s all depends on a number of things. If you’re the only owner of said firearm than probably yes. But if you bought it from someone who bought it from a gun dealer than probably no. Then it also depends on the dealers paper work. My local dealer told me once they generally keep the paper work 4-5 years before shredding it. I’m sure that all depends on state laws. Your ant-gun states like Illinois and California could require dealers to keep that info permanently.
Yes. As I understand it, when tracing a firearm, they just follow the chain.
They ask the manufacturer who it was sold it.
They go to the distributor and check their records.
Then they go the gun shop and check those records.
Then they go to the person who bought it and ask what happened to it.
And they keep going down the line until they find out.
As you can imagine, this will become quite a problem for older guns. Back when I was a younger man I sold a few of my firearms privately. My last private sale was over 15 years ago. I don’t remember anything about the guy other then what he looked like then. I don’t remember his name or where he lived or anything. I know I wrote down the info but I have no idea where that paper is.
Oh well.
* Yes *
They can trace it back through the 4473 you filled out… however illegal it might be. Either way, you have nothing to worry about if you have done nothing wrong.
yeah they go to the gun shop and ask for the bill of sale. I know if you buy a glock or something the go to glock say who did you sell this gun to? oh joe’s guns then they got to joe ask him who they sold it to then pretty soon there at your door step.
Just because you purchased the gun then,does not mean you still have it. Private sales are legal in most states, and no records are REQUIRED to be kept on such transactions. Most gun traces of gun brought can end up in a dead end, going no furthur than the original buyer, if he sold it, lost it, or gave it away.
In law, federal agencies are barred from using the 4473 in that way. In fact, several agencies have from time to time been caught with their hands in the cookie jar. Government officials sometimes think the law is meant only for other people, just like some crooks.
In the spirit of Will Rogers, of course, I may be accused of repeating myself in that last!
When you buy a gun, the store submits a form to the ATF, so yeah, once you buy a gun your name is placed onto a government list.